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Welcome, Dr. Sculerati. It's great to have a committed educator such as yourself on board. --Larry Sanger 14:19, 29 October 2006 (CST)

Nancy Sculerati MD 12:56, 1 November 2006 (CST) test of signature

Hi Nancy, thanks for your message; one of the nicest things about this project is the collaboration, and I look forward to working alongside you. As far as keeping off your own turf is concerned - I guess we have to be pragmatic, and while we're cleaning up stuff from WP I think we have to clean wherever we can as we go along to give a better canvas for others to paint on?Gareth Leng 03:04, 3 November 2006 (CST)

November 9, 2006 It's off to the hand surgeon today - so I will not be available until this evening. (Best case scenerio). Nancy Sculerati MD 07:29, 9 November 2006 (CST)


Hi Nancy, i hope your surgery was successful and that you will be able to be back tonight. I am sorry to say that I had to rant on the biology talk page as I am finding editing that page to be a frustrating experience. I feel this needs to be out in the open as soon as possible and I hope that honesty is the best policy in this case. This is obviously a new environment for all of us but I feel there needs to be a lot more communitcation and good faith editing. I am not trying to undermine your work here. I have tried to be constructively critical. Maybe my approach has been wrong? I am still trying to understand how the editing and restructuring is working. Anyway I think for me it is better if I looks for other pastures. Good luck with making biology a great article. Its a good start. Chris Day (Talk) 12:18, 9 November 2006 (CST)

Test Test - nancy, can you see my edit below? -Tom Kelly (Talk) 21:39, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Hello, What should I do about getting this approved and/or discussed, modified and then approved, and why is the system got so much red tape in getting minor edits approved?

I just made a simple edit and it seems impossible to get anyone to even talk about it.,365.msg2877.html#msg2877

Got a little bit of talk going here, but there is a small rift between PhD and health science studiers of microbiology. I like how in the microbiology article things are broken down into sub microbiology categories. Personally, I think the edits I made are part of microbiology, but I'd be willing to compromise if someone came up with something better.

I posted a note on the forums on this here:,401.msg3168.html#msg3168

What should I do now?

-Tom Kelly (Talk) 20:38, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Back at work, evening of November 9.

All is well (but a bit awkward with one hand in a splint). Yes, writing and editing can be frustrating, no doubt. I'm going to take a look at "Cooking", next. As I can't actually do it in my present state - I might as well consider it deeply.Nancy Sculerati MD 17:26, 9 November 2006 (CST)

Hi Nancy, glad you're back. I think we need you to see Biology through as a model article... ;) Hope you're not finding the discussion frustratingGareth Leng 10:36, 10 November 2006 (CST)

The first thing to say is you're doing great. The second thing is, assume that people are trying to be constructive, but don't be afraid to just revert - sometimes the easiest way of trying to see if an alternative looks better is just to try it out - maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Third, you need back up and friends, and you'll have one in me - if I make a change you don't like, just quash it, I promise I'll never squeal. If I think something needs discussion I'll put it on the Talk page.

I think the basic message ought to be that if someone is out of sympathy with the way that an article is developing, they should comment on the Talk page but keep clear. If they feel in sympathy and enthused then they should join in. Personally, I feel wholly in sympathy with and enthused by your approach.

What I'd suggest is you just write, let it flow, and let others (like me) wander along in your wake with nudges and copy edits to polish, or add a bit here and there. The writer is the artist, but art needs varnishing too.

Gareth Leng 11:00, 10 November 2006 (CST)


I'm sorry to hear about your accident. I hope your hand will heal rapidly.

With respect to the biology article, I am not trying to obstruct your work. My edits are an attempt to move it forward and discuss the accuracy. I am trying to be constructive. Certainly more use of the talk page is a step in the right direction. I too prefer to use the talk page rather than inserting comments into the text. I have replied to your answer on the talk page. In short, what about the usage of prehistory as suggested by David Goodman? Chris Day (Talk) 11:01, 13 November 2006 (CST)

biology images...

I recieved permission to use one of the photos and I added it to the biology article just so you can preview it. I cropped the picture but if you want me to upload it as a bigger size just let me know.

Thumbnails are also currently not working so when someone clicks on the picture they will not be able to see the enhanced version until Citizendium fixes that. If you want for users to be able to see the bigger version we can just re-upload the photo again as a bigger size once Citizendium fixes the thumbnail problem.

I will let you know if I get permission for the other photo. It's also very simple to get permission for photos if you just know where to look. If you don't want to go through me just go to a website and on the home page it will usually say "Terms of use", "Copyright policy" or the site will provide a link to contact the webmaster and you can just ask them there. If you need anything just let me know.

Eric Pokorny 22:00, 20 November 2006 (CST)

Healing arts

Hi Nancy, Just to clarify what you mean by the post you just made on the notice board. At present there is no healing arts workgroup. Are you requesting that one be created? Or is there a workgroup in existence that is not represented on the Citizendium_Pilot:Discipline_Workgroups page? Chris Day (Talk) 12:06, 24 November 2006 (CST)

I just went ahead and created a workgroup as, after a little searching, there did not appear to be one set up. You'll have to ask someone to create a forum for it too. At present it just links to the forum home page. Chris Day (Talk) 12:24, 24 November 2006 (CST)

Workgroup page

Hello, Dr. Sculerati, just letting you know that I have expanded the workgroup page a bit. James Hare 19:53, 26 November 2006 (CST)

Healing Arts

Hey Dr. Sculerati, I am new here at CZ and have been working to find my place;) I see you have taken some responsibility by working to create a healing arts workgroup and wanted to introduce myself and make sure I was settling in the right area as a chiropractor. If I have misunderstood, please let me know! Also, if there is anything that I can help you with in my field of knowledge, please feel free to leave me a message on my discussion page and I'll be glad to do what I can. Thanks for taking charge! --D. Matt Innis 22:28, 27 November 2006 (CST)

Hey Nancy, I would surely like to help out at the healing arts workgroup, but I have yet to figure out exactly where to start. If you can kindly point me in the right direction, maybe I could feel my way around:) --D. Matt Innis 18:15, 30 November 2006 (CST)
That sounds great. I agree 100% with everything you have written and I really do appreciate your attitude and awareness. After WP, it is music to my ears! I have been watching your work and I do like your style of writing as well as the way you think and teach. I would be honored if you would stop by the chiropractic page and add your creative touch. Meanwhile I'll start looking into "Other Applied Arts";) By the way, I'm planning to work on that amazing picture you want at the top of Biology, but you do seem to have pretty high standards! I'm not sure I can put it together, so don't hold your breath. --D. Matt Innis 20:10, 30 November 2006 (CST)

Am I getting close yet?

Nancy, come take a look and give me some input. --D. Matt Innis 14:28, 1 December 2006 (CST)


Hey Nancy, thanks for you help on the chiro page. I have been trying to decide how to approach some of these issues and am glad that you have got my creative juices flowing again. Do feel free to make any changes that you like, especially with respect to your medical POV, because if you don't, somebody else will and personally, I'd rather they came from you;) If I have any comments, I'll bring them to you here or put them on the talk page. I really like your style of writing and I don't think we are that far from each other so I look forward to your augmenting what we have. --D. Matt Innis 14:30, 6 December 2006 (CST)

I made some changes that I need you to look at when you get a chance. You might need to tweak it some, but I think I handled the "spinal injury" and conventional subluxation issues. I think it's getting closer to what we're looking for, but let me know what you think. --D. Matt Innis 14:14, 9 December 2006 (CST)


No problem Nancy. I'm just happy to help. Just let me know if you need any help with anything.

Eric Pokorny 04:05, 8 December 2006 (CST)

Re McClintock Legacy edit

I like it.

Re Skeptism towards Controlling elements.

My first serious contact with McClintock's ideas was about 1969. I did read about McClintock in the genetics texts of the time and remember controlling elements wre not ignored but not given a starring role.

(These texts included J R S Fincham's text, and William Hayes, The Genetics of Bacteria and their Viruses, 2nd edition 1970, which I still have, which quotes McClintock PNAS 1956 on p221 in the context of a hypothetical 'contolling episome' involved in high mutation rates in a Salmonella locus, and mentions that Dawson and Smith-Keary (1963) quoted McClintock 1956)

I really think it need the startling results of bacterial genetics (IS sequences, plasmid modular evolution, Mu phage, details of F factor plasmid DNA structure) to come out before she could be appreciated. Remember also, eukaryotic genetics (the "higher organisms' was relativly unknown territory compared to bacteria and phage. Also McClintock was not ignored by professionals, they just hedged their bets and were conservative about how important she was.

A crude analogy with the phenomenon of "restriction" might apply. Who knew it was important till biochemical mechanisms and then applications to molecular cloning came up - only a small select few I'd say.

So in short, I strongly agree with your changes to Legacy. Thanks

David Tribe 01:01, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Just found that you're on the job again in BMcCl Legacy and I like your changes. Found another one though I need to check on. I think Maybe Thomas Hunt Morgan did first genetic aps and BMcCl map in maize was not the first but I need to check this

(Ooops. update: found out later that this comment and the next was made about an edit that was later reversed!! but Ill leave them stand David Tribe 15:24, 10 December 2006 (CST))

I do hope your hand is in better shape now.

Did you see the Typhoid Warning sign I found in the public domain for Biology. Of course if we can find something better it can be changed but the presence of images helps keep morale up. I'm starting to learn how to handle images but still find soft resizing a challenge!

David Tribe 00:43, 10 December 2006 (CST)

Sturtevant and Margan 1911 First map

distance on a chromosome. In fact, the order and spacing that Sturtevant worked out in 1911 are essentially those found on modern maps of the Drosophila X chromosome. The profound insight that genes are aligned on the chromosome like beads on a string with specific distances between them eventually produced a conceptual basis for hunting for disease genes through linkage analysis and for mapping whole genomes, such as the human genome. All this was accomplished by a nineteen-year-old Columbia third-year undergraduate by simply skipping one night's homework! Morgan, who was not given to overstatement, later was to call the realization that genes could be precisely mapped in relation to one another on the chromosome as "one of the most amazing developments in the history of biology." (Shine, I. and Wrobel, S., Thomas Hunt Morgan: Pioneer of Genetics)

By the way, Ive read Sturtevants' History of genetics, and we have a copy in our Library D

David Tribe 00:54, 10 December 2006 (CST)

Did you get it?

Hey Nancy, just to make sure you got it, here's my email, I sent a note over to you, but it may have gotten caught in your spam filter. --D. Matt Innis 16:31, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Nancy, I got the studies today. I was able to read all of them and found them all extremely pertinent to what we're doing. It was also nice to see that we are not far off from what the research is saying and what others are saying (though we need to make that extra step that is allowed in a compendium of knowledge:). This time of evening is when I am usually always available, though am able to sporatically get some typing in throughout the day sometimes. We are both in the same time zone, though I'm a little warmer as I am in North Carolina! So drop me a message on my talk page or on the chiro page and let me know what you were thinking. --D. Matt Innis 22:07, 11 December 2006 (CST)

10 pm sounds good. See ya then. --D. Matt Innis 22:51, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Congratulations on the Biology article! --D. Matt Innis 21:02, 12 December 2006 (CST)

Re terminology

Nancy: Your defining biology as the science of life in no way disaccords with conventional views or terminology. In my defining biology as the science of living things, or as I now prefer, the science of living matter, I wanted to try to move beyond conventional thinking and introduce a more rigorous terminology. I took my lead from a respected biologist, Ernst Mayr, “one of the 20th century's leading evolutionary biologists” (Wikipedians 2006).

Ernst Mayr, in his last decade as a centenarian, wrote a book called This is Biology: The Science of the Living World (Mayr 1997). One might have considered the title presumptuous had it not come from someone the likes of Ernst Mayr. I believe in his subtitle he chose to ‘define’ biology as “the science of the living world”, rather than as “the science of life”, because in his opening chapter, What Is the Meaning of “Life” [his quotation marks], he states:

"To elucidate the nature of this entity called "life" has been one of the major objectives of biology. The problem here is that "life" suggests some "thing" -- a substance or force -- and for centuries philosophers and biologists have tried to identify this life substance or vital force, to no avail. In reality, the noun "life" is merely a reification of the process of living. It does not exist as an independent entity. One can deal with the process of living scientifically, something one cannot do with the abstraction "life". One can describe, even attempt to define, what living is; one can define what a living organism is; and one can attempt to make a demarcation between living and nonliving. Indeed, one can even attempt to explain how living, as a process can be the product of molecules that themselves are not living." (Mayr 1997, page 2).

I suggest taking Ernst Mayr’s lead, defining biology as the science of living matter, adds precision and rigor of terminology to CZ’s article, “Biology”, and modernizes thinking about the nature of biology as a science.

With that said, I still feel completely comfortable deferring to your and the groups’ judgment, and remain impressed with the work you did to rewrite the article from scratch.


Mayr, Ernst (1997), This is Biology: The Science of the Living World (Cambridge, Mass: Belknap Press of Harvard University Press)
Wikipedians. Ernst Mayr. . 2006.

---Anthony.Sebastian 20:01, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Cat image

Hi Nancy. Is that image good? Or or should it be smaller? Thank you. --Versuri 10:45, 12 December 2006 (CST)

Please, if you want one smaller, let me know. Thanks. --Versuri 11:47, 12 December 2006 (CST)
Please, see the size. I will fix the bright spot in the upper left of the picture. Thanks --Versuri 12:03, 12 December 2006 (CST)
Please, see if one of these images is better now. Thank you. --Versuri 14:19, 12 December 2006 (CST)
I added one more pic (number 4). --Versuri 14:55, 12 December 2006 (CST)

Dr. Sculerati, I have this dog?s picture. It is not a good one, but if want tou use it until get a better image, let me know. Thanks. --Versuri 11:43, 14 December 2006 (CST)

Yes, my dog is a mongrel :). I got it to the article. Please see a better place to it. Thanks. --Versuri 12:00, 14 December 2006 (CST)
I will be away for two hours. If I made something wrong in the article, I will fixed it. Thank you. --Versuri 12:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)
Take a look at my dog and my cat playing.--Versuri 14:40, 14 December 2006 (CST)
Sorry, this image was not for dog's article. I only showed you that strange way to play (cat and dog). I do not have the photo you want. I will see if I can find that somewhere. --Versuri 17:18, 14 December 2006 (CST)

I have not found the picture you need. Please see if one of these is of your interest: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

--Versuri 06:12, 15 December 2006 (CST)

I uploaded:
1 - Image:Shar pei welpen.jpg
4 - Image:Schulhund-ina-in-schulklasse.jpg
5 - Image:Sleeping Pups.jpg
--Versuri 09:10, 15 December 2006 (CST)

Do you want me to add these pictures in the dog?s article? --Versuri 10:43, 15 December 2006 (CST)
I did. --Versuri 11:30, 15 December 2006 (CST)

Dr. Sculerati, is one of these of your interest? 1 2 3 4 5 6

Thank you --Versuri 17:06, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Hi Nancy, Unfortunately there is not a CZ Commons. In Wiki-Commons you can find these pictures of cat. --Versuri 14:04, 17 December 2006 (CST)

I had problem with my conection but I got to upload them. Please check in the article if it is right. Thank you. --Versuri 15:43, 17 December 2006 (CST)

Would you like me to upload one of these tigers? --Versuri 16:11, 17 December 2006 (CST)

Please, I am not sure about the picture that you want me to add in "big cats". Thank you. --Versuri 08:52, 18 December 2006 (CST)


Nancy, could you stop by the chiropractic talk page and check out some of the sources that I've linked for you concerning regulation, etc. I'm still working on the Mercy pages - apparently emails won't take 20MB so I have to find another way. Maybe fax? Anyway, if you can share any last minute concerns, right now I feel that the article pretty well satisfies my concerns, but if you need to make some changes while we're waiting, we can address those as well. --D. Matt Innis 14:08, 18 December 2006 (CST)

Okay, I'll wait till your finished and discuss anything else on the talk page. --D. Matt Innis 22:44, 18 December 2006 (CST)

Check the talk page. --D. Matt Innis 10:18, 19 December 2006 (CST)

Nancy, Larry made some suggestions and I put my 2 cents in. Please check them and you might want to add your 2 cents as well. I took off the "to Approve" until you take a look. --Matt Innis (Talk) 23:27, 19 December 2006 (CST)

Okay, I made some significant changes trying to implement Larry's comments and Chris's comments. Take a look and make any changes you think are necessary. Thanks. --Matt Innis (Talk) 15:33, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Nooooo, we're soooo clooooose!!! Hang in there:) You can do it!!! We're on the one yard line!!! Bases loaded!! One last punch... what else... pleeeeasse ;) --Matt Innis (Talk) 16:28, 20 December 2006 (CST)

WE did it!!! Thanks so much for your help Nancy. The article is so much better with your input than anything I would have thought to put together. I wish I could say they would be easier now, but this process sure does show the places that need work - and it is WORK! It is nice to see that, when it is all over, there is something to show for it. After a little break, I'll start on some of the other chiropractic articles and look forward to your input there, too. Hope you don't mind if I follow you around some, too, I enjoy the interaction; it's so much more fun than writing by yourself. See you there!--Matt Innis (Talk) 00:07, 29 December 2006 (CST)

Micrurus fulvius

Hi Nancy, While I appreciate your desire to contribute to Micrurus fulvius, I have a number of problems with your last edits to this article. For starters, you did not included any references for the information you added. I like to include references for everything: not only to back up the statements, but also to remind myself of where the information came from (I have many books on the subject).
Your statement about the fangs being short, blunt and not hollow is in error. All elapids have hollow fangs with which they inject their venom, although the fang groove is "not perfectly consolidated over the canal" (Wright & Wright, 1957). Your statement furthermore seems to understate the potential seriousness of bites from this species. Before Wyeth antivenin became available, 10-20% of bites were fatal. Stidworthy (1974) mentions that "of the few bites that have been delivered to humans by coral snakes, a high percentage have been fatal." In the United States, there are somewhere between 20 and 60 coral snake bites a year (Campbell & Lamar, 2004).
As for the rhyme, it's probably a good idea to include it, but only in the Description section and I insist on a reference. There are also variations of this rhyme. When I was a kid, for example, I learned it as "Red and yellow kills a fellow, Red and black nice to Jack." Regarding your edits to the Description section, those need to be in a separate sentence with their own reference, since Behler & King (1979) do not make the caparison you added.
I disagree with your position that most specimens are too small "to easily inflict an open wound". In 1893, L. Stejneger wrote of M. fulvius: " has been repeatedly asserted that the mouth of the Elaps is so small that it cannot bite as well as other poisonous snakes. This, however, is somewhat of a mistake" (from Wright & Wright, 1957). In fact, most snake's jaws can open almost 180° and I believe M. fulvius is no exception. It is true that the most coral snake bites are to the hands and fingers, but this is also because the snake is usually being handled when the bite occurs, and not just because the head is relatively small (Campbell & Lamar, 2004).
Finally, I'm disappointed about the way you somehow managed to use a generic common name for this species no less than four times within a single paragraph. I try to avoid using any names at all in the text, opting instead for terms such as specimens, snakes and species. After all, it is a monograph! At any rate, all of the information you added to the introduction belongs in the Description section. The introduction is supposed to contain a summary of the rest of the text as opposed to containing any original information.
Sorry to be so tough on you, but I'm just as hard on myself. So much nonsense has been said and published in the media regarding venomous snakes that we must take great care to ensure that these articles are as accurate as possible. (If you want to reply, you can do so here, since I've temporarily added your talk page to my watchlist). --Jaap Winius 11:15, 23 December 2006 (CST)

Please see the talk page for Micrurus fulvius Nancy Sculerati MD

Hey Pedro. I've actually commented out the approval template because I came to approve it - but when I skimmed the article I noticed that none of the images were coming through. I don't know exactly why that is, but i did check that nothing happened in the version change - and the "to approve" link had the same problem. I'm copying this note to both your and Nancy's page, since I suspect it's more likely to be seen there. Thanks! -- Sarah Tuttle 20:14, 28 December 2006 (CST) ps - It would be super helpful if you used the four tilda signature? because then it timestamps your comments. Thanks :)

Metabolism approval

Hi, Nancy! Since the images in the Metabolism article were not coming through, I uploaded one of them from WP, and drew the other one from scratch (the WP image seemed too basic...). Please check if the article can be approved with those images. Thanks!! Pedro Silva 07:43, 29 December 2006 (CST)

Re possible conflicts I'm certainly not worrying about them. My skin is very thick, David Tribe 18:16, 30 December 2006 (CST)

Pedro has put a newer version for approval (down at the bottom of the talk page). If I have two more editors on board, I'd be happy to approve it this evening. -- Sarah Tuttle 14:50, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Nuclear chemistry

Dear Nancy, the chemists are currently writing an article which is inteneded as a review of all things radioactive. I am aware that in modern medicine (post WWII) that radioactive materials are being used for some imaging (eg Tc-99m / gamma camera and PET), that brachytherapy and teletherapy are done using sealed sources to treat cancer and that some radioactive drugs are used in a treatment which could be viewed as a combination of chemo- and radiotherapy (such as I-131 for thyroid cancer). Please could either you (or one of the other MDs) pay a visit to nuclear chemistry and add content about the use of radioactivity in modern medicine.Mark Rust 03:48, 30 December 2006 (CST)

Thanks Nancy for your mail, I look forward to getting the input of a MD on the topic. I would like to know if you can think of anyone who has a good working understanding of medical radiation equipment (if you know an editor/author who does then please pass on my request). I have a reasonable understanding of quite a few types of non-medical radiation equipment such as the mechanics of how food irradation equipment, X-ray diffraction and gamma radiography equipment works but I know little about the design of medical equipment such as non-manual afterloaders. I think that if such information was added to CZ either on the nuclear chemistry page or on a different page it could add a great deal of value to the project. When I get time I will draw diagrams of how some of the more common devices work for CZ. Have a happy new year.Mark Rust 08:34, 30 December 2006 (CST)


Could you take a look at Wheat please Nancy and give an opinion on whether it should be approved please?

David Tribe 00:45, 3 January 2007 (CST)

Vertebral subluxation

Hey Nancy, I've been working on cleaning up the Vertebral subluxation article and would sure like your input as well as Gareth's. Feel free to add or to just give me some of your insight for direction. Thanks! --Matt Innis (Talk) 16:04, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Your absolutely right. Like usual you gave me plenty of homework, but I'm sure the article will be better for it. Thanks! --Matt Innis (Talk) 00:57, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Nancy, when you get some time, can you take another look at Vertebral subluxation. I think we've incorporated most of your concerns, but they probably still need some tweaking. I think we are getting closer. Thanks! --Matt Innis (Talk) 09:55, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Horizontal gene transfer

Dear Nancy please look at HGT Any suggestions are welcome. But if you could offer an opinion on its approval worthiness please in the talk page, it would move our processes along David Tribe 07:15, 15 January 2007 (CST)

aerobic organism

Hi Nancy, I noticed you edited aerobic organism. Are you just cleaning up some sentences or do you have major plans for it? -Tom Kelly (Talk) 20:33, 19 January 2007 (CST)

Cat Colors

Nancy, please see if the pictures are right. If you want, I have this one. --Versuri 13:46, 22 January 2007 (CST)

first act of a little vandalism

the person changed the main page (changing the login site) - I only gave him or her a warning - as constable I thought that to be appropriate - and revoked his or her change. [comment by Robert Tito]

See CZ:Policy Outline under "constabulary policy":

Banning users for vandalism, bad faith edits, and copyright violations. Any insertion of obscenities, bad faith edits, or copyright violations into articles will be considered vandalism. For example, adding obscene text or images into an article or arbitrarily deleting part of an article are considered as vandalism. Similarly, adding material that represents a copyright violation will be deemed a bad faith edit. Any constable who notices vandalism or a bad faith edit in an article will swiftly remove it and ban the user who is responsible for an appropriate period of time.

I think "an appropriate period of time" for plain old dimwitted vandals is "infinite." They must apply to us for readmission and explain their past behavior. --Larry Sanger 19:40, 22 January 2007 (CST)

Very well, next time it will be BLOCK - I have no problem with that. I was only being cautious.Robert Tito 19:47, 22 January 2007 (CST)

Biology Version 1.1

Nancy, Ive put up another Approval on the Biology draft . The changes are minor, but there may be one or two minotr things you want to change too. Take a peek at the draft page David Tribe 23:45, 23 January 2007 (CST)

Copied from Draft Talk page

The reader has at least noticed that Nacy has injected emotional engagement and subjective judgement into it. (irony warning!). Having been trained to write flat but lucid scientific journal articles I noticed too!. But I value what Nancy has bought. On the other hand, maybe I can retrieve some valid small revisions from the yellow taking care not to obliterate Nancy. Exactly why emphasis is verboten I cannot fathom though. May need to extend Approval deadline a day or too. We may as well do it well. David Tribe 15:38, 24 January 2007 (CST)


If you need more pictures, let me know. --Versuri 15:47, 24 January 2007 (CST)

Experts by subject?

Hi and thank you for the welcome! I was curious if there is some place on the Citizendium where I could find an expert editor based on his field of study? Specifically I'm interested in seeing if anyone from my field has already signed up, but I could also imagine that such a listing might prove helpful lateron in the project if a contributor should stumble across something that makes him go "huh?" and that he would like to bring to the attention of an expert on the field. --Daniel Zenon Klein 05:42, 25 January 2007 (CST)

Thank you for fixing up my user page

Dr. Sculerati,thank you for fixing up that category link on my user page. (Aidan Work 14:28, 25 January 2007 (CST))

Biology Version 1.2

I have slapped another approval template on Biology. Deleted 'down' from your paragraph, please tell me if it jars. I think the Systems push actually adds significantly to both Biology's modernity and its narrative plot. I've also found a link between Horizontal gene transfer/draft and Systems biology, amplified with A Sebast.'s kind courtesies by email David Tribe 22:15, 25 January 2007 (CST)


Dr. Sculerati, my area of numismatics is in relation to Great Britain and the British Commonwealth. It is in this area of numismatic writing that I will be concentrating on.

I wonder how many Citizendians, as opposed to Wikipedians, are interested in coin and banknote collecting. Perhaps we should collaborate in a big Citizendium Numismatic Project, just like some people on Wikia and Wikipedia are.

As for describing currency units, I believe that Wikipedia's non-capitalisation policy is wrong, as a currency unit is a noun, not a verb or an adjective. I also believe that a currency unit used in only one country does not need to have a nationality tag in the title. For example, the Vatu is the currency of Vanuatu only. Its predecessor currency was the New Hebrides Franc. Do you agree with where I am coming from? (Aidan Work 02:42, 26 January 2007 (CST))

Images for deletion

Nancy, if I uploaded an image that you will not use anymore, let me know to tag it for deletion. Thanks. --Versuri 06:30, 26 January 2007 (CST)


Hi, Dr. Nancy, and thanks for the welcome! A first question: will there be some kind of portals about specific subjects in Citizendium? --Roberto 06:42, 26 January 2007 (CST)

  • Dr. Nancy, I'll do it. Thanks again. --Roberto 06:55, 26 January 2007 (CST)

I'm sorry

I certainly didn't mean to upset you when I passed on those comments that guy sent me. And I'm certainly sorry that they caused you some distress. Don't take them personally, because there's no question that the Biology article is dozens of times better than it was when you found it, and I think it's a great article. -- ZachPruckowski 10:43, 26 January 2007 (CST)

I agree with Zach that you should not take any of the comments personally because we all know how much you have contributed to CZ and how amazing your edits and work are. Personally, I enjoy criticism even if later I decide that I disagree with it. Keep up the good work! -Tom Kelly (Talk) 12:20, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Choosing a cat

Sunday, when I go into the shelter where I volunteer (Seattle/King County Humane Society) I will talk to my super and try to get her interested in helping with the Choosing a cat article. We were talking about Wikipedia a few days back and she said that although she had known about the site for some time, she felt "intimidated" whenever she thought about editing on it. Maybe she won't feel that way about CZ. James F. Perry 10:44, 26 January 2007 (CST)

PreMedical School Reading List

I'm trying to develop a reading list for premedical students to motivate them about medicine. I'm also going to ask my school to have a summer reading list for incoming first years. The only book that I can think of for this pre1st year list is The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down by Anne Fadiman. I was thinking one book would be enough for the pre-1st years and then maybe 2 really good review articles. I wanted an article to motivate 1st years to work really hard in medical school and then another on professionalism. Do you have any ideas? -Tom Kelly (Talk) 19:42, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Biology- The Second Time Around, with Both Feet on the Ground

I smiled as I found you editing again

These are for you (check source code in editing window)

  1. Sagan(Margulis) L (1967) On the origin of mitosing cells J. Theoretical Biology 14:255-74. PMID 11541392
  • Margulis L Chapter 7 in John Brockman (1995) The Third Culture: Beyond the Scientific Revolution ISBN 0684817047

cheers Dave :0) David Tribe 19:58, 26 January 2007 (CST)


Hi Nancy, I'll chip in as I can, but the nest two weeks or so I'm extremely busy so will only be able to do things in short spurts. I've realised that you're a wonderful natural writer of clear prose, so my bits may be ungainly, but I can contribute content if you're happy to use it in the way you do so wellGareth Leng 07:07, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Medical genetics and inborn errors of metabolism

Hi! I like your work and the efforts you put bringing medical knowledge to the public. I can help in the field of medical genetics and inborn errors of metabolism, so please feel free to make me suggestions. Thanks, Philippe Campeau

Thanks for your welcome

It appears to be very lonely in here for architectural writers - I've checked the architecture workgroup and there's no-one there. Should I start something on the hit-list or wait around for 'Editor instructions'? --Russ McGinn 12:09, 29 January 2007 (CST)

User page now in right place

Hi Nancy. You are quick! I put a use page up under Ray_Tomes and then added a couple of pages. Then I found your note in RayTomes so I moved my info there and blanked the other one ... (don't know how to delete). Hope I have it right now. I still need a bit of advice if you are able to help? RayTomes 22:38, 29 January 2007 (CST)

Thanks for the welcome

Thanks for the quick welcome, Dr Sculerati. I'm thinking my CZ account will replace my Wiki account. lol I'm particularly interested to know what your views on stem-cell research is. Yim Kai-mun 23.21, 30 January 2007 (SGT)

How Do I...?

I'm not sure if you're the person to ask, but I've got a real labour of love, a table of the dynastic history of China, in .xls, .htm and .xml format. I'm not sure which I should host on CZ? It's a handy little reference, even if I do say so myself. ;) Yim Kai-mun 23.38, 30 January 2007 (SGT)

This is a question for the Discussion forums. Look to the sidebar on the left. I'm sorry that you will have to go through the trouble of registering there. Meanwhile, I will bring up your question-please register, go to the Discussions and look for answers. This is the sort of thing we are still working out. Best, NancyNancy Sculerati MD 09:41, 30 January 2007 (CST)

I'll leave that for tomorrow

I'll leave that for tomorrow...right now I need to demystify the intricacies of bond maturity calculations and after that, bed, or I'll have Mum after me! ;) Yim Kai-mun 23.46, 30 January 2007 (SGT)

Image licensing

I amended the license statement on the Gallery of domestic animals page. It is phrased in terms of "properly licensed for use on Citizendium". Since Sanger has not made a final decision on licensing of such material, that is about all I can do. Whenever I upload photos, I use CC-BY-SA-2.5. James F. Perry 20:31, 30 January 2007 (CST)

I hope I kicked all their asses (pardion the pun)

all ok now Nancy?? Robert Tito 22:04, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Great Warrior acknowkledges saved Squaw Nancy  :) People were out for you, to get you. I hope everything was restored as it should have been. Robert Tito 14:21, 31 January 2007 (CST)

Dog Video

--Matt Innis (Talk) 06:43, 31 January 2007 (CST)

No problem! If you need any help getting it in, let me know. We can also do like we did with the DNA and Cavitation gifs and make them click to animate them if you don't want it to run constantly. All I have to do is one more edit to take out a picture and call it an image. --Matt Innis (Talk) 09:21, 31 January 2007 (CST)
How's the smaller version. It gave mne the choice of normal size or half size. The above is half size. Does that work? --Matt Innis (Talk) 12:57, 31 January 2007 (CST)

You FOUND the original!!!:) LOL! What AM I going to do with you! :)--Matt Innis (Talk) 14:28, 31 January 2007 (CST)

recruitment letter

Hey, could you help me with this? -Tom Kelly (Talk) 23:43, 31 January 2007 (CST)


Yeah, it's a safe bet that he's not going away. It can get pretty frustrating, but at the same time, I'm a lot more hesitant than Larry Sanger is to just say "GET THE HECK OUT OF HERE" to people (not that he's ever said it that simply though). I mean, my struggle with him is not to convince him as much as it is to convince bystanders. If he wanders about our boards without response, then any passive onlooker (and there are usually a fair few unregistered users wandering the forums) will be dissuaded. Similarly, I don't want to ban him and get the project a reputation for being clique-ish or censoring or something.

Unfortunately, discussions with him are maddeningly circular. Right when you think you've actually made progress, he just reverts right back. Which has resulted in me nearly posting a "ban-Mike3-rant" on a few threads several times. It's sort of silly that he has the fourth most posts when he's not even on the darn wiki. That's my real gripe: He needs to join the project or go away. I spend a lot of time explaining to him things that he could either find or see for himself if he was on the wiki. One the plus side, we appear to be able to bad-mouth him on the wiki as a result :-). The irony of that is not lost on me. -- ZachPruckowski (Talk) 12:01, 2 February 2007 (CST)